NBA Minor League Instant Messenger Discussion With Zach Rocha and his friend
Petahhh Clerc: didn't like olympics?
smokearoach247:: cmon pistol what u think
Petahhh Clerc: lol
Petahhh Clerc: it was an awkward situation for all
Petahhh Clerc: that was our 3-4th team in there
smokearoach247:: doesnt matter
Petahhh Clerc: a couple of starters weren't even
allstars
Petahhh Clerc: and the committtee picked the team
based on popularity
smokearoach247:: the players out there wasnt the
problem at all
Petahhh Clerc: you gonna blame it on larry brown now?
smokearoach247:: no, im gonna blame it on david stern
for not setting up a minor league
smokearoach247:: more than half that team was high
school and the other half didnt graduate from college
Petahhh Clerc: lmao, i read your article on the minor
leagues of teh nba
smokearoach247:: haha
Petahhh Clerc: don't think it could ever work
smokearoach247:: y not
Petahhh Clerc: cause in bball 30 is over the hill
Petahhh Clerc: you can peak in baseball at any age
smokearoach247:: are u on drugs
smokearoach247:: 30 is over the hill? mj was 34 when he
was at his best, as a matter of fact 28-32 when guys
hit their prime in bball
Petahhh Clerc: baseball players need the time to
develop into good players
Petahhh Clerc: yeah but in bball, if you aren't good
young, you don't ahve ashot
Petahhh Clerc: you gotta show the potential
Petahhh Clerc: be a semi impact player
smokearoach247:: pistol u gotta stay off the crack
thats just not even close to being true
Petahhh Clerc: lol
smokearoach247:: thats only the way its been the last
10 years
smokearoach247:: since shaq and penny
smokearoach247:: bec they were the trend setters and
they were nasty immediately, since then its gotten
progressively worse
Petahhh Clerc: maybe
smokearoach247:: its like antoine hitting his first 3
of the game, thats the worst thing can happen
Petahhh Clerc: you don't call the nbdl minor leagues
though?
smokearoach247:: fuck no
smokearoach247:: those are all scrubs
smokearoach247:: u need to send ur kwame brows, yur
amare stoudemires down there
smokearoach247:: guys who have shown the potential but
have no polish
Petahhh Clerc: you don't think amare would kick ass
against a lower level
smokearoach247:: physically and more important mentally
and emotionally
Petahhh Clerc: it wouldnt' do him any good at that
point
smokearoach247:: not against guys his same talent level
smokearoach247:: u put them all down on the farm
together and work their way up that was the point of
college for so long and it worked, but no one goes to
school anymore
Petahhh Clerc: i don' think there are enough guys
above his talent level though to create a full nba
league
smokearoach247:: ur on crack then
smokearoach247:: do u know how many guys come out every
year
smokearoach247:: like 75-80
Petahhh Clerc: you are right...prob 40 get signed
Petahhh Clerc: the rest do nothin for their lives
smokearoach247:: throw them all in the minors, give
them two options, go on the farm or go to school, dont
let them into the league until their graduating class
from college has gone thorugh
smokearoach247:: thats the only way to fix this problem
smokearoach247:: u know the big difference between a 18
year old and a 22 year old, a 14 year old and a 18
year old
Petahhh Clerc: you don't think making an age limit
would fix the problem?
smokearoach247:: nope, what these guys are basically
doing is skipping jr high and going into high school
straight from elementary, their missing a lot -
experience is not something u can replace
Petahhh Clerc: has the nba really ever considered a
full on minor league system?
smokearoach247:: nope the most stern has FINALLY said,
is SUGGESTED that each NBA team can send TWO players
to a NBDL team
smokearoach247:: basketball is the world's fastest
growing sport, there is no reason why there isnt a NBA
Europe, maybe NBA Asia and shit, plus a baseball-type
minor league program
Petahhh Clerc: i don't think you can ever pull off a
minor leaue program without destroying half the
organizations
smokearoach247:: well its not like the nba needs to
expand, think about it, there are at a max, 3 teams in
the east that can compete for the championship and 6
in the west, tahts 9 quality teams out of 30, cmon
Petahhh Clerc: so you think they shoudl cut down the
league to 9 teams to make a minor league system?
smokearoach247:: no i think with the next draft or as
soon as possible, u expand the draft to maybe 15-20
rounds and begin ur feeder system, whats already in
place is sadly already in place
Petahhh Clerc: 15-20 rounds is gonna take more
hopeless highschool players out of the college system
into a hopeless dream
smokearoach247:: hopeless dream, dude whos going to go
to college for an education is going to go to college,
a hopeless dream of being paid to play in the minor
leagues isnt that bad of a job, if u could play minor
league v-ball, with a 5 percent chance of going
professional would u do it prob not, ud go to school
and then maybe try it out for a lil while, well this
would give kids that option
Petahhh Clerc: its a different class of people
though...myself, a smart middle class white citizen
doens't have the smae thoughts of a future as an
urban, poorly educated black person
Petahhh Clerc: that stereotypical urban basketball
player will pick the basketball just about everytime
over school
smokearoach247:: no shit which is why most of them
would try to the professional route, theyre the ones
who cant get into school anyway
Petahhh Clerc: good point
Petahhh Clerc: i guess you would be taking them off
the streets into doing something productive
smokearoach247:: i talked to bracey wright, who is
nasty at indiana last month, it was the college kids'
us national team for the summer, i proposed the minor
league to him, he said hed rather do that than go to
school
Petahhh Clerc: alright so lets say, that they can
actually pull something off liek this....do you think
the market is their to uphold the new scouts, the
stadiums, the players saleries?
Petahhh Clerc: do you think the average american cares
enought o watch a minor league bball game when the
celtics can't even sell out of playoff games?
smokearoach247:: ye think about how big college and pro
bball are
smokearoach247:: yes bec its a progressive process
Petahhh Clerc: and new jersey can't even fill up half
their arena?
smokearoach247:: paw sox do pretty good dont they
Petahhh Clerc: baseball=american pasttime
smokearoach247:: basketball= global game, fastest
growing sport in world
smokearoach247:: and unlike mls, we are still the home
of the best league in the world
Petahhh Clerc: it concerns me though, the downward
trend in nba finals ratings
Petahhh Clerc: and all nba games ratings for that
matter
Petahhh Clerc: woudl people care enough of a minor
league to pay
smokearoach247:: doesnt matter, if they dont care about
the major league in the end
smokearoach247:: u know its not getting better, its
getting much worse and the olympics displayed for
everybody
Petahhh Clerc: i still say thats unfair though
Petahhh Clerc: you can't comare richard jefferson to
michael jordan
Petahhh Clerc: or tim duncan to charles barkley
Petahhh Clerc: or allen iverson to magic johnson
Petahhh Clerc: but...kobe bryant to jordan is alot
closer, as in shaq to hakeem, and jason kidd ot magic
johnson
Petahhh Clerc: and kevin garnett to larry bird
Petahhh Clerc: the bridge isn't closed but it is a lot
closer
smokearoach247:: clerc in every sport but basketball,
the players now are players in the past, the brand is
better, the competition is better, the quality is
better, we should not only be able to compare these
guys, but these guys now should be better
smokearoach247:: its sad that they arent
Petahhh Clerc: agreed
smokearoach247:: that means that the game is not
evolving
Petahhh Clerc: all these new rules are discouraging
that also
smokearoach247:: kobe should be better than jordan,
when oscar robertson was the best player ever, he was
replaced by jordan, the trend should continue, not
stop
smokearoach247:: fuck the rules
smokearoach247:: the rules have changed and they havent
changed for the better, its not the three point line
and the zone defense though
smokearoach247:: its that they dont call fouls anymore,
u can mug a guy, plus guys arent rewarded for
attacking the hoop, more often than not now, its an
offensive foul
smokearoach247:: its the mainstays; the fundamentals
and the basic rules
Petahhh Clerc: all that stuff creates a more fan
pleasing appeal and marketing however
smokearoach247:: what creates a more fan pleasing
appeal?
Petahhh Clerc: the new rules they are putting in
smokearoach247:: low scores, bad basketball, people
slowly turning the sport off
Petahhh Clerc: that was a surprising effect though
smokearoach247:: things like this dont happen all at
once, it happens over time, and the last 10 years have
been the worst in basketball history, the game has
stopped evolving for the first time ever
Petahhh Clerc: an oppostie one in which they wanted
Petahhh Clerc: you are right
Petahhh Clerc: and....as you siad the league needs to
do someting about it
smokearoach247:: it doesnt matter how hard a guy gets
hit, if his shot is altered then thats a foul, plain
and simple if u get hit on the wrist and ur bleeding
or if u get hit on the wrist and it doesnt hurt five
seconds later
Petahhh Clerc: but i am just not sure if there is
enough cash out there for a minor league system
smokearoach247:: oh there is enough cash out there
smokearoach247:: thats never a problem
smokearoach247:: theres always someone richer
Petahhh Clerc: you prove a great argument
Petahhh Clerc: on that note, i gotta get to bed, got a
7:42 tee time in the morning
Petahhh Clerc: cya
smokearoach247:: hahahaha
smokearoach247:: aiight man peace
